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Modest Gaming Build

by manirelli

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CPU/Motherboard

Our Modest Gaming Build is built around the Intel i5-7500. If you do not plan to overclock your computer this is arguably the best mid-range processor on the market. We paired the i5 with a parametric list of B250 motherboards that supports up to 64GB of DDR4 memory, 6x SATA6 devices, and front panel USB3.0.

Memory/Storage

For this build and most machines outside of the top end enthusiast realm we opted to go with 8GB of DDR4 memory. The parametric filter finds the best price on 8GB kits of memory that are within Intel’s recommended specifications. Our storage choice is also based on parametric selection criteria – 2TB and 7200rpm are our standard recommendations for builds that incorporate a mechanical drive. With our increased budget we can also include a solid state drive selected by parametric filters. You should be able to purchase at least a 240GB drive on this budget.

GPU

On a 800 dollar budget, the Radeon RX480 8GB is a fantastic choice. This GPU has excellent performance for the price making this model one of the best graphics card choices on the market. At 1080p the Radeon RX480 8GB provides a consistent 60fps even on demanding games like Battlefield One using Ultra/High settings.

Case/PSU

All of the components are housed in the Apevia X-QPACK3-RD MicroATX Mini Tower. This case is an affordable option that has front panel USB3.0, room for full size graphics cards, and cutouts in the motherboard tray for easy cable routing. For our power supply, we're using a parametric selection of well-reviewed fully and semi-modular units, all of which will provide more than enough power for this system.

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Estimated Wattage: 310W
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Motherboard
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  • RAM Slots: 4 - 16
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Memory
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  • Type: 288-pin DIMM
  • Size: 8GB (1x8GB), 8GB (2x4GB)
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Storage
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  • Type: SSD
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  • Type: 7200RPM
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  • Chipset: Radeon RX 480
  • Video RAM: 8GB
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Power Supply €95.95 €5.25 €101.20 PC Componentes Buy
Base Total: €852.92
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Total: €865.62
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brgolf 3 points 1 month ago

is building a ATX harder than a regular tower build

kmkshakey 1 point 1 month ago

There is less volume within a MicroATX case than a Mid, or especially a Full ATX Tower case, so things like airflow and cable management could be more of a concern. Other than that, it's the same concept.

Alvks 3 points 1 month ago

Strongly disagree on airflow and cable management being a concern. Mini-tower/cube/microATX cases usually have a separate chamber for the PSU. Yes they have less volume, but that's why you have a smaller mobo.

Lantyss 1 point 1 month ago

What ATX Kaby Lake mother board and Mid-Tower case could be substituted for this build, please? I prefer the mid-tower configuration.

Thanks very much.

Jokin_Is_Here 1 point 1 month ago

Anything with b250, h270, or z270 in the name, and any mid tower ATX case would work

Lantyss 2 points 1 month ago

I really appreciate your feedback on this. Thanks so much. Obviously I am a flaming noob at this. Best wishes and thanks again.

Lantyss

Jokin_Is_Here 6 points 1 month ago

No problem... that is what pcpartpicker is all about, helping people who are new to this community

tussiez 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

I quite don't understand.

diecast 1 point 1 month ago

ATX is a regular tower.

whoscoal 3 points 1 month ago

Im brand new to pc building and im looking for a pc that can run fps games such as rainbow six siege at around 60 frames. would this build provide that? HELP I cant play console anymore

Robinf 4 points 1 month ago

Yes this will do exactly what you want. If you have any questions come over to /r/buildapc on reddit. Great PC building community.

tussiez 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Exactly

Cmdr__Tim 0 points 1 month ago

I play rainbow six siege alot. This thing would play it with max graphics, with probably 110 average fps, and never drop below 80-90 fps.

Footsocks 3 points 1 month ago

Why no Ryzen 5 builds?

Sindalis 3 points 22 days ago

IMO there is no reason to use any i5 anymore other than the i5-7600K. And only that one due to the sheer clock speed you can get out of it.

If your considering a gaming build, and its less than that chip, You would be better off using a Ryzen 5 1500X which is cheaper than the i5-7500, comes with a better cooler, runs just as fast (with XFR) and can even overclock on stock cooling to be well and above faster than the 7500

mahalie 3 points 11 days ago

That's an odd statement. There are different CPUs for different needs. He mentioned he's not overclocking and therefore the i5-7500 is an excellent choice in terms of price to performance and better for gaming than the Ryzen 5 1500X at stock.

Sindalis 0 points 6 days ago

The biggest point of the argument is that the 1500X comes at a higher stock speed than the 7500 (3.5ghz vs 3.4 ghz) and has a higher boost frequency with XFR (3.9ghz vs 3.8ghz). The Ryzen processor does this, with more lvl 1, lvl2 & lvl 3 cache while being cheaper than the 7500 to boot AND having an extra 4 threads due to SMT. IMO there is no reason to by an I5 unless your going for the 7600K and clock speeds above what AMZ Ryzen can do.

mahalie 1 point 5 days ago

Clock speeds aren't directly comparable between these two chips. Additionally, when it come to gaming, having more than 4 core/threads has an extremely limited impact. Single core performance is still the most important factor and the single core performance of the 7500 is better than the 1500X. Lastly, at Microcenter, the chips are both $190 (and if you don't have access to a Microcenter, the difference in price is $5 on Amazon.) You're also not really going to be overclocking on a sub $70 motherboard with a stock cooler.

Honestly, there isn't a huge difference between the two when it comes to performance, so my point is it was kind of an unnecessary suggestion.

Sindalis 3 points 4 days ago

I will agree with some of your points. But I think you need to re-look at your single threaded performance. Clock for Clock Ryzen vs Kaby lake it depends on the test. With Ryzen showing higher in number crunching applications. While the two processors architectures are neck and neck + or - 1 to 3 % in games. Depending on the game itself. This latter bit is a gaming optimization piece by the game itself. (Source: http://www.techspot.com/review/1379-and-ryzen-5-1600x-1500x/)

The AMD stock cooler is actually pretty good. You can do some limited overclocking with it but if you want more you should get an aftermarket one. But even with stock cooling on a cheap b350 board you could sit at a pretty stable overclock on all four cores at ~3.5 - 3.8 ghz without much of an issue. This would have you at a very similar speed to the 7500 in single core tasks be markedly faster in multi-threaded applications or workloads. If you don't want that, you could leave XFR on and it will turbo up up to two of the cores to 4ghz for you putting it well ahead of the 7500's single core turbo speed.

The price difference as you said was about 5$, which isn't much, but could be put into faster ram with Ryzen which really speeds up what the processor can do. The simple fact though with Ryzen is that the extra 4 threads and higher cache allow you to do other things and game at the same time. Such as watching a youtube video and game, or stream online through twitch to your friends and game. Ryzen has the power to spare for extra tasks; the i5 doesn't.

With the i5 your buying a locked 4 core 4 thread processor that's fully mature and good for what it does, but lacks versatility and will only go down in relative value over time. Vs the new processor that is already neck and neck with said i5 but also has plenty of potential, greater versatility, and is only getting better as more things are optimized for it. To me is about Short vs Long term investment, in my opinion there simply is no argument for going short with the Intel processor other than. "i would prefer Intel to AMD" and just to be clear that's a fine argument. But statistically and logically when looking for the best performance per dollar spent I cannot see a reason for the 7500.

In doing some research I also found an interesting thread on this exact topic is in the forums https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/219856-ryzen-5-1500x-or-i5-7500

mahalie 1 point 2 days ago

The extra threads could obviously never hurt. Motherboard options are a bit more limited when it comes to AM4, so that is something to consider when on a budget as well. The 7500 also turbos to 3.8 GHz (having worked with the non K chips before, they maintain that frequency pretty consistently.) You'd know better than me about overclocking with the AMD stock cooler on a budget board.

A lot of your points are more than fair and personally, I'd be pretty torn. I'd probably lean 1500x for the extra threads, but I still think the 7500 is a good choice for a gaming build in this price range (also depends on how much you can get a 7600k for). If he'd mentioned anything that implied he'd be really taking advantage of the extra threads, I'd be with you.

Romdeau 2 points 1 month ago

The Zotac on Amazon is back ordered by 1-2 months, perhaps another similar option should be considered?

Lobsterareawesome 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

What about a Kingston?

BuchwaldHartwig 2 points 1 month ago

Can I use 2x8Gb instead of only one, to have 16 Gb?

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 7 points 1 month ago

Absolutely.

Titan02 2 points 1 month ago

Ive done a ton or research and 8gb is generally ample for a gaming rig. Google 8gb vs 16gb and see the results for youself

mahalie 1 point 9 days ago

Running memory in dual channel is beneficial. 1x8GB < 2x4GB < 2x8GB. So not only will the extra stick give you more memory, but you'll be running in dual channel which has its own benefits.

ASkhankausar 1 point 17 days ago

I think the best option for you would be 2x4 dual-channel, this for gaming is perfect, but if you use video editing software like photoshop 2x8 makes more sense.

Planemaster 2 points 2 days ago

if you use video editing software like photoshop 2x8 makes more sense.

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if you use VIDEO EDITING software like PHOTOshop 2x8 makes more sense.

GoTeamRed 2 points 1 month ago

The i5 7500 is basically useless right now because the Ryzen 5 processors absolutely destroy it for the same price. Overclock ability for no extra cost, and more cores and threads for the same price.

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

When it comes to gaming benchmarks an overclocked R5 runs +/- 5 FPS. It definitely doesn't "destroy" it, especially if you're only gaming.

GoTeamRed -1 points 1 month ago

It does. And you get a bunch more benefits for the same price.

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

So running at a slightly lower, slightly higher, or similar frame rate is getting "destroyed"?

Sorry, but everything about you just screams "fanboy", and given your stance on shady Windows keys coupled with your exaggeration of processors that aren't a universally better solution for everybody, I can't take you seriously.

I care about one thing: results. The results don't paint the same picture you have in your head, sorry to say. If somebody is only gaming, they would more than likely be better with the i5. If they have use for multi-threaded performance, they should look into Ryzen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_nF0aLPJXs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G45q9WV2FY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83NnGQ7tC0g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q680OKtj8gQ

Yes, a few of those don't test the R5 overclocked, but it hits 3.7 GHz stock, overclocked you're looking at an extra 200-300 MHz, which isn't going to change the performance delta very much.

aaronbuildscomputers 1 point 5 days ago

Yes, they're close in gaming as you point out, with a possible edge to the R5, not a big deal.

Overclock a Ryzen 5 1400 (which is $20 cheaper than i5-7500!) and it will have a convincing lead in almost every non-gaming benchmark over any non-K i5. Ryzen's multi-threading is also an important differentiator. It's an i7-class chip at an i5 price, if you ask me. Ryzen will probably continue to improve over years with engine optimizations, while Core is already very mature. http://www.techspot.com/review/1386-amd-ryzen-5-1400/

I'll make the argument that almost all gamers do some level of multitasking or have some garbage running in the background. The real world is not like a blog review where they start with a sterile Windows install with no other programs or utilities.

An AM4 B350 mobo gives you an upgrade option in the next ~5 years for Zen2, Zen3 etc and an overclocking option, Intel's LGA 1151 gives you neither.

The only hands-down advantage the i5 has is integrated graphics, which is wasted in a dedicated GPU machine.

Chinguililla 2 points 1 month ago

I have never built a computer before and I am confused. Don't you need a cooling system as a necessity?

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 3 points 1 month ago

The CPU comes with a stock cooler.

Raykal1 1 point 1 month ago

I was gonna ask the same question, thx

andreidan25 1 point 16 days ago

Hyper 212 is a great option if you are looking to spend a little more while keeping your PC's temps low.

UglyTomato 2 points 28 days ago

I feel like you could swap the RX 480 with an RX 580. There are a handful 8GB 580s for $220.

TH3_R3AL_R3D 1 Build 2 points 14 days ago

I honestly do not like this build. For $808 I am assuming (by the title) this is a budget build for a modest gamer, and to be quite honest, I think you could do better by just taking out the SSD and using that money for something else in the build. Yes, understood that an SSD is almost a necessity for most computer builds now-of-days, but to me $800 or less is a budget build and that $800 should be used to get the best components possible for the time being, and then later on add an SSD. I put together a pc build that I think would be better for the modest gamer:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor $218.49 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $78.88 @ OutletPC
Memory Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $111.88 @ OutletPC
Storage Hitachi - Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $56.35 @ Amazon
Video Card Asus - Radeon RX 480 8GB Video Card $239.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case $65.99 @ NCIX US
Other EVGA 500 W1 $31.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $803.15
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-14 00:57 EDT-0400

This build will get you a great cpu with 6 cores and overclocking ability right out of the box (I say out of the box because you can do pretty decent OC with a WRAITH cooler). This build also has 16gb of high speed memory, which high speed memory is great for ryzen cpu's. You also get a great case with a very generous amount of space for cable management. Lastly, I did take out the seasonic power supply because that is a little overkill for this build. With the build using an estimated 302 watts, a 500 watt PSU is all you need.

mahalie 1 point 2 days ago

The better CPU is so appealing but in everyday use, you're really going to miss that SSD. Also, if you're springing for a better CPU, I'd go with the 7600k if the focus is gaming (same price at Microcenter if you have access to one). I think OP did a fine job though. I wouldn't lose the SSD.

diecast 0 points 11 days ago

the i5-7x is better than the R5-1x for gaming. optimization is in the software, games have been built for intel/nvidia mostly.

TH3_R3AL_R3D 1 Build 2 points 11 days ago

This is why it is important to do research: - This link will show you what I am talking about below: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3648vs3919

-This link will show you the raw single core and multi core performance (scroll down to the raw performance index on this page): http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-intel-core-i5-7500

-More links to prove why the ryzen is equally as good, and why it is, in some cases better AND worse: http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_1600x-708-vs-intel_core_i5_7500-669

These cpu's are incredibly matched and that why I chose this cpu for what I would build for the modest gamer. Now it should also be noted that these cpu's are matched at stock frequency, and like I said in my original post, the ryzen 5 1600 can be overclocked even on the stock cooler. Overclocking will give it more performance. Another thing to be noted is, I am in NO WAY saying to pick this build over the original build guide. I just felt like I needed to make another PCPP list to show people different options. When it comes down to it, its personal preference with these CPU's. These chips trade blows in most titles. There are some titles that the ryzen 5 1600 wins at, and there are some titles that the intel 15 7500 wins at.

Both cpu's are almost matched in gaming, the ryzen 1600 kills the 15 7500 in workstation tasks (understood that's not important for gaming). " Ryzen 5 CPUs offer gamers better value for money than the eight core Ryzen 7 models released last month. With six cores the 1600 is approximately 75% better at multi-threaded tasks than Intel's quad core i5 flagship – the similarly priced i5-7600K, the 1600 however, has 25% lower single and 33% lower quad core scores." This is a quote from one of the links I put in my reply.

Try not to just come out of the gate and say "Intel i5 is better because of optimizations in the software". Do some research before you make a reply to a post with such a bold statement. Yes, you are right that most titles today have been optimized for intel/nvidia, but even in those titles, the ryzen 5 1600 is keeping up and giving the i5 7500 a run for it's money.

diecast 0 points 11 days ago

It's important to consider more than just benchmarks. Often articles and reviews push stats that are not based on real world events such as developers and software companies building tools based on specific hardware and licensing. The majority of the software community has invested heavily in Intel and Nvidia.

Intel recently announced they will be licensing AMD graphics after their Nvidia license expired. This has to do with the integrated graphics. Another recent piece of news is that Bethesda has announced they will partner with AMD on game optimization. All of these things could be part of someone's consideration when deciding which components to build a system.

TH3_R3AL_R3D 1 Build 2 points 11 days ago

If you want to use anecdotal evidence instead of actual facts then one must not count out the endless amount of comments about ryzen feeling smoother in gaming compared to the intel counterparts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybF7r4rogHc

As for the second part yeah Intel does plan on using Amd for their IGPU in the future. It's important to note that more and more games are using more threads for example watch dogs 2 and battlefield has been using 6 or more cores since BF3.

If one looks at the facts they see a 6900K at stock meeting or beating a 7700K at 5Ghz in gaming. The future of gaming is more cores and it can already be seen today.

diecast -1 points 10 days ago

If you want to dismiss facts, that's fine. I'm not denying the future is more cores.

jdwii 1 point 10 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE&t=2s

1500X vs 7500 both at stock obviously the 7500 is at stock as it can't even be overclocked.

aaronbuildscomputers 1 point 5 days ago

You're right on optimization for Intel/Nvidia! And games are running fairly well for Ryzen even though the current generation isn't optimized for it.

i5-7600K at 4.9GHz is generally going to smoke a quad-core Ryzen in gaming, but it also costs a ton more...

wcoolx 2 points 7 days ago

If I swapped out the gpu for a 980ti that I already own, would there be any compatibility issues? Also would this build plus my 980ti be good enough to run games such as csgo, league of legends, and overwatch with great framework while streaming?

aaronbuildscomputers 1 point 5 days ago

Yep, 980Ti will run almost anything at 1080p or even 1440p no problems, especially the games you listed. Streaming will depend more on CPU as far as I understand.

IBuildCompooters 1 point 1 month ago

What would be a cheap water CPU cooler to go along with this?

Romdeau 5 points 1 month ago

that would be complete overkill for this build, it's not even designed to overclock. Or is this simply just for the aesthetics?

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riftking 2 points 1 month ago

cheap water cooler...maybe the corsair h60, but i wouldnt recommend it for the locked cpu. if ur going for aesthetics/noise i would recommend something that looks nice like the cryorig c7

eGND3mon 1 point 1 month ago

Isn't the i5 6600k better then i5 7500? its only 50$ more plus it overclock able and also where is the cpu cooling??

rosswalker 1 Build 4 points 1 month ago

its only 50$ more plus it overclock able

That is $50 more, then you need a motherboard to go with it then spend more on a decent cooler to overclock, it would be stupid with this budget.

and also where is the cpu cooling??

The cpu comes with it...

Salvajey 1 point 1 month ago

i5 7500 comes with a stock fan, 6600k doesn't.

Titan02 1 point 1 month ago

Hmm im literally about to place my order for my pc build and wasnt aware of the fan already on the CPU. Thatll give me a few more dollars to go the saphire rx 480 nitro+

gregbielak -3 points 1 month ago

Trust me, drop the 25 dollars on a coolermaster evo. Never go stock with gaming.

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 3 points 1 month ago

On a CPU that can't be overclocked the stock cooler is fine. You're never going to go into unsafe temperature ranges at stock fan speeds while gaming and if you're anal about keeping things cool you can set a custom fan speed curve to keep it cooler. The vast majority of games will never fully utilize a CPU, so saying "never go stock with gaming" on a CPU with a locked multiplayer is kind of ignorant. Unless you plan on running Prime95 in the background while gaming lol...with an i5 7500 an aftermarket cooler is more about aesthetics.

cheeseandram 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

The stock cooler will work just fine. If it wasn't capable of cooling the chip under load then Intel wouldn't include it in the package. The 7500 is a locked chip anyway.

The Evo is also bad value. At that price point the M9i is much better.

LatiosGaming -1 points 1 month ago

Intel stock fans suck. We all know this.

adventureguy 1 Build 3 points 1 month ago

Yes but they do the job. If it comes with the CPU, then there is no reason not to spend the extra money on a GPU or something.

ksicher 1 point 1 month ago

This seems great for my first build. However I'll need wifi access for about the first few months using it until I move to a new location. Is there a different motherboard that supports wifi? Also is there any guides to assembly on something like this or similar?

kazip55 3 points 1 month ago

Just add in a $15 usb wifi card.

wwadsworth 1 point 10 days ago

I know I'm a little late to the game but buy a Ethernet over power adapter they are ~$20 and get a significantly better performance then a wifi card.

Just throwing that out there.

moooo566 1 point 1 month ago

This case doesn't appear to be available here - what might be other good choices for this and similar builds? For that matter, what am I actually looking for if I want to compare cases? What separates them beyond size and appearance?

bradzilla23 1 Build 1 point 22 days ago

Something along the lines of a Corsair Air 540 would be similar in design to this case, but one that I've personally used is the Corsair Spec-02. It's a bit larger than this case, but it's got a ton of room for just about anything. If you're looking into buying a case, I would look for motherboard compatibility, front panel I/O, drive support, and clearance for parts such as a CPU cooler or large GPU. Size and part placement separates cases from each other, but it's mostly size.

Rossa250 1 point 7 days ago

How do i tell if the case is compatible with these parts? is it just the motherboard or do the other parts factor in to?

bradzilla23 1 Build 1 point 2 days ago

The case should have a spec sheet with supported motherboard form factors. Find out what form factor your motherboard is (ATX, mATX, mITX) and go from there. The motherboard is the main one, but aftermarket coolers and video card length can also cause clearance issues. The number and type of drives you want to add may also play a part.

cahan 1 point 1 month ago

There's a compatibility note: >"The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6Gb/s port is disabled."

What does this mean?

Also any recommendations for a different case?

rosswalker 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

There's a compatibility note: >"The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6Gb/s port is disabled."

It just means if you use one of the M.2 slots, one of the Sata ports are disabled. Nothing to worry about.

Qunithepro 1 point 1 month ago

Can you tell which SATA port is disabled?

rosswalker 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

I'd assume it would be the last one No.4 but it might say on the website for it.

tussiez 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

here's a tip: If you're curious, look at the numbers next to the SATA port on the motherboard, and it marks which # it is, so you don't put a cord into a disabled port.

Rexper 1 point 1 month ago

It's different for each motherboard. Check the manual specific to the motherboard you're looking at.

Az1nPersuasion 1 point 1 month ago

Nice build but could you guys look at my build it's my first build so I'm kind of new

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fj8Rhq

fiveam 2 points 1 month ago

Its a good budget build, though you could go for a cheaper cpu

Also, save some money to add some more ram down the road, because 8gb is the bare minimum

GoTeamRed 2 points 1 month ago

It's decent but I would ditch the SSD, it's not really necessary for a budget build, and you can get Windows 10 keys from other places LEGALLY for a lot cheaper. Also get the Ryzen 1500x over the i5 7500, it's a better CPU for the same price, I would also get a cheaper USB Wi Fi adapter.

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Ugh...no, you can't get Windows 10 keys way cheaper legally. Those grey market sites aren't legit places to get keys. At best, you're buying from somebody who bought keys in a poor region that Windows gives a discount to, at worst, you're buying a key that was purchased with a stolen credit card.

GoTeamRed 0 points 1 month ago

Still getting Windows for much much cheaper, and you won't get in trouble for it as apposed to piracy.

ThoughtA staff 5 points 1 month ago

If you're talking about gray market keys, recommending, suggesting, advising, encouraging, hinting, or in any way implying them as a solution or option is not allowed on this site.

GoTeamRed 1 point 1 month ago

Alright

Az1nPersuasion 1 point 1 month ago

But shouldn't I get a ssd for the os and other stuff

GoTeamRed 1 point 1 month ago

Honestly I would just save the money and put it into a better CPU/GPU because you don't NEED an SSD even though everybody says you do, If you want boot times that are a couple seconds quicker, than get an SSD, but I wouldn't.

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Solid state drives do way more than make your system boot "a couple seconds quicker". It's more like going from pressing power to browsing the internet in 20 seconds, that's A LOT quicker than a HDD. Games tend to load quicker and your entire system is much more responsive and snappier, files transfer faster, installs happen quicker, uninstalls happen quicker. There are plenty of good reasons to invest 50 bucks into an SSD on top of a larger HDD for storage...

GoTeamRed 1 point 1 month ago
Az1nPersuasion 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks but will this's run triple a titles and at what settings because I saw the video card had 4gb vs my 8gb one

GoTeamRed 1 point 1 month ago

Of course it will at 1080p and 1440p, the 470 is very similar in performance compared to the RX 480

bradzilla23 1 Build 1 point 22 days ago

The 470 should be able to handle 1080p games at Ultra/High settings (depending on the game of course). 1440p, as mentioned by GoTeamRed, is possible, but at more relaxed settings. If you are doing strictly gaming, a 1400/1500 or the original i5-7500 will serve you better as the higher core counts aren't needed.

tornacle 1 point 1 month ago

teamred build looks good like im something i may be interested in. how is upgradability for this puppy down the line is i may look to invest more into in the future?

GoTeamRed 1 point 1 month ago

The upgradability is great, because the RYZEN AM4 socket won't be going away until at least 2020, so you should be able to upgrade the CPU down the line, and you could upgrade the video card any time you wanted too.

BruxiEEE 1 point 1 month ago

How much fps in MINECRAFT?

tussiez 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Hmm I guess like a solid 100FPS.

LatiosGaming 1 point 1 month ago

Minecraft is really easy to run. Even the crappiest somewhat-modern PC can run it in 30-40 fps.

BladeGenexis 1 point 1 month ago

And that's without a video card! Haha.

BladeGenexis 1 point 1 month ago

You'll be able to play Minecraft at 4k and still get 60fps at the minimum. This build is a little more hardcore than Minecraft, that's why.

Whitetail 1 point 1 month ago

Please help me I am new to building PC would this run Arma 3 and also would it run squad

LatiosGaming 1 point 1 month ago

A lot of modern PC's s could run Arma 3, just not happily. From what I can tell, this Radeon card is pretty capable.

fildmg 1 point 1 month ago

would there be any issues swapping the psu for a Corsair CXM 450W 80+?

urager 1 point 1 month ago

i can't find the recommended HDD anywhere, what would be a suitable substitute?

BladeGenexis 1 point 1 month ago

Any Western Digital or Seagate HDD will do the trick. The capacity is up to you. I don't think you need anything larger than 1Tb.

fiveam 1 point 1 month ago

would a 520w seasonic psu also work?

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Absolutely.

leemer 1 point 1 month ago

I'm kind of new to the whole pc game, would this be a good pc to run most games at good frames such as gta? Also are there any alternatives to the case, it seems a bit too bulky

BladeGenexis 1 point 1 month ago

If you're gaming in 1080p, you will get 60fps on average, depending on your settings. Even if you have to lower them, you won't have to compromise much. As per the build title, this is a "Modest Gaming Build". It's enough to play GTA V and other games decently.

JvK 1 point 1 month ago

they could use an AMD Athlon X4 860K and upragde the video card at the same price.

JvK 1 point 1 month ago

Can you guys check my build? list

Tremenduz 1 point 1 month ago

I've never built a PC before and have tried to teach myself purely through YouTube alone. I want to use this build but I have a few questions. Bearing in mind, I want to have this PC connected to my 40" 4K TV monitor (wireless keyboard and mouse) and I don't mind the fps not being crazy high cus I'm used to lower fps from console gaming. I also don't mind quality going down to 1440p if it has to. I want to spend as little as possible, and I'll be using this PC for gaming and for productivity things like Photoshop, video editing etc.
- Is the SSD really necessary?
- If I choose not to have an SSD, should I get 16GB of RAM instead?
- Will this build be able to connect to my internet router wirelessly as it is, or do I need to buy something extra to achieve that?
- Are there any extra cables/wires/screws etc. that I need to buy, or do the components come with all this?
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. THAAAANKS :)

adventureguy 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago
  1. SSD - if budget is above $1,000 or you simply don't want to wait for 30 seconds for Windows to boot up HDD - if you really need the extra space and you don't have any money to spare
  2. 16GB of ram should come after the SSD. Clock speed of the RAM doesn't matter on Intel CPUs but on AMD CPUs, I'd recommend the highest speed ram you could comfortably afford. GSkill, Corsair, and Kingston make great RAM kits
  3. You would need a $15 WiFi card for that
  4. No, you really don't. That's the usual, anyway, but I don't know specifically about this PC

One last note, I really don't recommend anything above 1440p for this PC. You'll probably be dealing with the teens as far as frame rate goes. But the RX 480 is enough for 50fps 1440p gaming, and that's for triple A titles. If you're playing Roblox or some crap game that doesn't need as much GPU power, then sure, go for 4K, but it's still sketchy so I would do some extra research.

Tremenduz 1 point 1 month ago

Cheers duuuuude :) appreciate it

adventureguy 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

No problem! Go to Tom's Hardware forums too if you want to hear about other people's opinions too.

Typhus7 1 point 1 month ago

I can not find the graphics card for the life of me, is there another suitable graphics card that fits in the case and all that?

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Click the 'from parametric filter' link to see all of the GPUs

kaon 1 point 1 month ago

how about my build versus this one for a similar price if you factor out windows 10 cost?

Any issues? Thanks

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/df72Z8

adventureguy 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Seems good but I would recommend the PNY CS1311 120GB SSD because OCZ Trion 100 SSDs easily malfunction. Also, buy the Seasonic M12II 520W or EVGA G2 550W power Supply because the EVGA NEX is a very old power Supply and I wouldn't recommend it.

kaon 1 point 1 month ago

fixed a bit added your rec and 6600k and reduced ram to 8

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/8WRrXH

adventureguy 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Looks good! But one thing I'd say is get a Z170 so you can overclock. It's more performance for a few extra bucks.

kaon 1 point 1 month ago

which z170? There are quite a few out there.

adventureguy 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

Or Z270 but that's for kaby lake so doesn't really matter that much

Singha 1 point 1 month ago

Hi I'm very new to this Pc building thing. I'd like to build this build. I want a Pc that can edit photo, video 4K and some gaming. ( Lightroom,photoshop, premiere Pro, Lol). Will this Pc be ok with all these softwares? And also I will need to get a operating Window with this build as well right ? Please help! Thank you!

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Since you're doing content creation you might want to look into similarly priced Rzyen processors. And yes, you will need to purchase a copy of Windows...though if you can get your hands on the installer, activation isn't required to use your PC. The main things that activation does are removing a small watermark and allowing access to the "personalization" settings.

SandwichEater11 1 point 1 month ago

Has this got good upgradability?

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Highest CPU you can go with this build is an i7 7700K in the future(but you won't be able to overclock it without getting a Z170/270 motherboard). Though some people theorize that Coffee Lake will use the same socket based on Intel straying from their "tick-tock" release schedule, but that's just speculation. For GPU's you'll be able to use any new GPU, but with RAM you will be limited to 2400MHz(unless you switch to a Z170/270 motherboard).

So I'd say upgradability is decent, but not "great". If it's just for gaming, it will last quite a while.

SandwichEater11 1 point 20 days ago

Ok thank you.

RCRS-7 1 point 1 month ago

This build is a bit outdated. It should have the Ryzen 5 1500X instead. It has AMD's equivalent of hyperthreading (4 more threads) and is overclockable, unlike the i5-7500.

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_nF0aLPJXs

You can squeeze an extra 200MHz out of the 1500X, maybe 300, which isn't going to bring those numbers up a whole lot. For a gaming PC, specifically a "modest gaming PC", the 7500 is fine.

I'd like to think the people who run this site and post these guides know what they're doing when they post them and/or make/don't make changes to them. It's possible that the R5's will get better support later on down the road or that BIOS updates will help them out, but the safe bet here for a $190-200 gaming CPU is going to be the i5 7500.

aaronbuildscomputers 1 point 5 days ago

R 5 1400 will save you a few more bucks that can be stuffed into a GPU. At many GPU price levels, the $20+ will move you up a tier. A quick auto OC takes about 5 min. It's far less daunting than selecting a parts list and assembling a PC.

If we're going to play the "OC isn't important" game, you could get an A320 board for the same price as a crippled non-Z Intel board, and comparable gaming performance.

Ryzen 5 has multithreading, i5 doesn't. Given the similar price points, this is a no-brainer for me.

gormanator 1 point 1 month ago

Can you have a corsair 240 case with this build?

Tobaganner 1 point 1 month ago

honestly, bad price to performance, I got an r5 1600 and rx 580 with wireless router, case fans, better psu, windows 10 64-bit, anti static wrist strap, and an anti static mat for $150 more, just don't have an ssd

mahalie 2 points 9 days ago

Your video cards are essentially the same. The difference in your processors isn't worth $150 and the lack of an SSD is very significant. Your PSU is 650 watts, but OP doesn't need that (and by the way, that doesn't impact performance). Also, who cares about routers and wrist straps? Your price to performance isn't any better. In fact, it's worse.

offerbaby 1 point 1 month ago

Hoping someone would be able to clarify what sort of fixed fps this would be able to run at for certain games, from League, Overwatch, BF1 - Much appreciated!

Canitrunsteam 1 point 1 month ago

Dumb question, Can this PC run steam?

zprater 2 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

yes! steam is a program that runs on any system as long as you have windows installed. that's assuming you already have an operation system (or OS) on your machine. No dumb questions here! everyone has to start somewhere :)

and just so you know, steam is just a gaming client. So asking if something "runs steam" is like asking if your gaming console can run its dashboard. You buy/download games through steam, and then run them accordingly.

kitboy2010 1 point 1 month ago

Hey if the CPU is replaced with a pentium G4560 will it be able to run most games at 1080p 60fps still?

shreduhsoreus 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

One of my PC's has an i3 6100 which only runs games at a few frames per second higher than that Pentium, so speaking from my experience, it will run almost all games on high(and in many cases, ultra) settings at 60 FPS at 1080p.

aaronbuildscomputers 1 point 5 days ago

This is very dependent on which games. Look at benchmarks for the specific games you want to play. If you've got the money, the general recommendation is to get a Ryzen 5 or i5 quad-core as it will run almost all games as fast as a mid-range GPU can push.

SamichGuy 1 point 1 month ago

How would this do with Star Citizen?

dasmitherino 1 point 1 month ago

Hey, the case used in this build is not available in my country, can you suggest a good replacement? Also, does it matter much what power supply it has as long as it's 550W? Because this particular one seems to be quite a bit more expensive here (~50% more)

Windfinder 1 point 1 month ago

How well will this system run VR applications?

Crossfired 1 point 1 month ago

Totally new to pc gaming, I assume you could swap the hard drive out for one with more capacity? Also would this build run games like gta v and rainbow six: siege well?

jackmaz10 1 point 1 month ago

Yes you can swap out the hard drive

JvK 1 point 1 month ago

Just use amd for the processer and it will be soooo much cheaper

Raykal1 1 point 1 month ago

Can i change the case without changing anything else? If so, what would you suggest? Thank you

Remendador 1 point 25 days ago

You can use any micro-ATX case or bigger. There are tons of case options and pointing one would be tough, especially considering your personal taste, just go and look for one that suits your interest. Just remember to make sure it has enough space for the VGA.

DoyleG 1 point 1 month ago

How does this build compare to this build on Tech Radar? Better Worse? Sorry I'm completely new to PC's and trying to find as much out as possible before building one. As you can see below, I'm looking to building a PC that is equal or better to the new console being released.

Thank you.

http://www.techradar.com/how-to/gaming/how-to-build-a-gaming-pc-more-powerful-than-xbox-project-scorpio-1324756

Remendador 3 points 25 days ago

Personally I see Ryzen is a better choice for this price point. You get the same gaming performance + better productivity performance when comparing to Intel builds. With AMD you will be able to overclock if you want. One thing to note. Avoid R7 for gaming, it's not necessary. Get B350 motherboard and an R5 1600 cpu (yes, the non-X version), it comes with its own cooler, saving you some money and still able to overclock if you know how to do it, or if you want to learn about it. Put the extra money on your vga and you're good to go. Way better than a console. BTW. Get an RX 580 instead of the RX 480, they cost almost the same.

rideheiney 1 point 1 month ago

Will this be a good computer for adobe software use? Like if I want to run premier and everything renders very quickly and smoothly. Also would be good for running games at 60fps like Unturned and DayZ or maybe even GTA 5

aaronbuildscomputers 1 point 5 days ago

If you're doing serious productivity work like Photoshop, Ryzen is a better choice at almost every price point. If you've got the money, a 6-core Ryzen 5 1600 or 8-core Ryzen 7 1700 will give you a huge benefit over the quad cores.

Snookum 1 point 1 month ago

I used this guide and the only things I swapped were the case and I used two sticks of ram of 4gb each instead the one shown above. the computer wont start with the graphics card Inserted, I have done the latest bios update for the motherboard and still no success. The card only runs when I change the initial Display Output to IGFX which doesn't solve the problem at all but this is the only scenario so far in which that duo fans on the card spin for more than 15 seconds after powering up the computer. Please help it would be much appreciated

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Make a post in the troubleshooting forums.

mlggeekmaster242 1 point 1 month ago

Update to 580 now?

SwedishK 1 point 27 days ago

I like this build but I had a couple questions.

If I were to upgrade the ram to 16GB, is there a specific manufacture/model you would recommend? Also, what is the max capacity for the ram? I assume 32GB?

I take it this build does not include Wifi card/adaptor and Windows 10 Pro OS?

JMDL 1 point 27 days ago

The max capacity of the motherboard for ram is 64gb and this board does not include Wifi card and OS.

SwedishK 1 point 22 days ago

I have a generic/cookie cutter Gigabyte mid-tower, I assume will fit. I assume the 7500 will last me awhile if I'm doing light/moderate gaming (medium and/or high settings)

patrickga 1 point 23 days ago

I followed this fairly closely, not exactly -- after setting it up I'm seeing a constant freeze when the GPU starts up. I've found references relating to voltage issues with the RX480 such as here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4zcvad/pc_freezes_with_new_rx480/, but I can't figure out how to modify the voltage settings in the BIOS. Please send help!

Have I done something wrong?

patrickga 2 points 22 days ago

After looking at this a while I realised that the referenced article says to change the voltage in DRIVERS, so I tried it -- but I'm still seeing a constant freeze when the PC is under any graphical strain. I don't see artifacts or anything funky when using it normally, but as soon as I launch a game or something that would use Direct X the screen turns a solid color and freezes. I don't see any helpful events in Eventvwr for the time of the crash...

Has anyone else built this and had this issue? I'm of the impression my drivers are up to date, but I'm going to take a second look.

Thanks,

Patrick

Heaps 1 point 17 days ago

Hello guys, noob question here can I just use SSD for Windows+a few games if I don't need another HDD for space? I'm using a MacBook for office/browsing/photography.

Also, can I swap the case for Thermaltake - Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case since I can't buy Apevia in Australia?

Thanks

Heaps 1 point 17 days ago

Actually, guys, I want to order these parts and build. What do you reckon? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Ts7BP

BigBoiMehkka 1 point 16 days ago

Is there an operating system hidden somewhere in this build? Or is it just not necessary for one in every build? I'm new to PC building if you can't tell....

JMDL 1 point 14 days ago

Because OS is a personal choice and some OS are free.

TH3_R3AL_R3D 1 Build 1 point 14 days ago

If you want a copy of windows 10 then you will have to spend an additional $100 on top of this build. Another choice is to go for a free OS like ubuntu until you can afford a copy of windows.

TimmyMartin5 1 point 12 days ago

Will this PC be able to run games like CS:GO? Smite? H1Z1 and Call of duty games? Im looking for a PC build thats under 1000$ that will be able to run games like this at 60 fps

Molded 1 point 1 day ago

This should run any of those games at 60 fps. Of course it does matter what resolution you run them at

ElectricGoat 1 point 12 days ago

I'm looking to play the total war series on ultra high settings. I'm a bit new but the heart is in it.more specifically warhammer, it seems like it is a very demanding game

cabis 1 point 11 days ago

Can someone make me a version of this build whit bigger case, 1 TB hard drive and good processor cooler. I dont want the stock cooler.

verticomcraft 1 point 9 days ago

I'm new at building PCs so this may sound dumb, but don't you need and optical drive to install everything?

Molded 1 point 8 days ago

You can use a flash drive- use another computer to download everything (drivers, OS etc...) and plug it in to the new computer and install

dakzi 1 point 8 days ago

Will this build be able to support dual monitor setup? and the capabilities to support and run cadding software? I need a gaming pc that I can use for work.

redxiao 1 point 7 days ago

I've never built a pc before and I'm worried the small case might cause problems with airflow. Would a Mid-Tower work for this build?

Rossa250 1 point 7 days ago

So how long do you think this build will be viable, so how long until it won't be able to current games at 60 fps etc etc

cabis 1 point 7 days ago

Why these builds change when i change country? Which one of them is the best or should i just take the German build because I live in Finland and Germany is the closest one to me and free shipping from German amazon.

cabis 1 point 2 days ago

SOMEONE HELP

dakzi 1 point 7 days ago

Could this run dual monitors and cadding software smoothly?

Molded 1 point 2 days ago

Monitors yes. Im not educated enough for the cadding software though

SergioBC 1 point 5 days ago

Should I go with this one, or the entry level gaming build by ThoughtA? I'll mostly play Overwatch on the PC

WambuCombu21 0 points 1 month ago

Is this build good? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BpDtqk I can also go for the msi gtx 1060 6gt oc. But then i would have to go for the Silverstone ST50F - ESB. As for the HHD i have an old 200GB lying around.

kazip55 0 points 1 month ago

This is a faster and a ssd would be boot your os in 12-10 secs. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tn9jKZ

tussiez 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

The boot time varies a lot depending on what OS you will install on that system

adventureguy 1 Build 2 points 1 month ago

I think you should really try to invest in more SSD space...120GB will fill up really fast.

kazip55 1 point 1 month ago

People can always buy a cheap 2tb hard drive for $50 later if he decides to.

GoTeamRed 2 points 1 month ago

SSD's aren't worth it for budget builds.

aaronbuildscomputers 1 point 5 days ago

Totally agree, especially at today's inflated prices. 250GB+ SSD would be a nice addition once the prices stabilize, but there are better uses for your $100 for this build.

DoyleG 0 points 1 month ago

Hello, Completely new to PC Builds and PC Gaming. Will this run VR and 4K gaming or am I asking too much? I'm looking to build something that will be on par or better than the new Xbox Scorpio Console for £700 max. Thank you.

aaronbuildscomputers 1 point 5 days ago

If you want absolutely no compromise 4K performance (max settings, 4K 60fps) you'll need a 1080Ti (!) to be able to do it across the board. Turning down settings from Ultra to High or turning of AA might make enough of a difference to run AAA games on something more reasonable like a 1070 or 1080, but that will depend very much on which title.

When they talk about "4K gaming" on Scorpio they mean either 30fps (which is generally doable with a 1070) or the equivalent of PC Medium settings. The Scorpio GPU will be about as powerful as a RX 580, but the games may be better optimized for that lower level compared to PC games.

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Viveycore -2 points 19 days ago

Only bad thing about this guide is ur using a stock cooler u need a actual cooler for max performance and they're only 20 bucks but still great

JMDL 2 points 17 days ago

You dont need to change the stock cooler if you will not overclock and the CPU in this guide in locked. So the stock cooler will suffice.

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fiveam 1 point 1 month ago

Absolutely

BladeGenexis 1 point 1 month ago

With this setup, you won't drop a single frame in those games.

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Reason:
Note: Wattages are estimates only. Actual power draw may differ from listed values.
Component Estimated Wattage
Intel - Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor 8W - 65W
Gigabyte - GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard 15W - 60W
Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory 5W - 5W
Plextor - M7V 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive 2W - 10W
Toshiba - 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Asus - Radeon RX 480 8GB Dual OC Video Card 37W - 150W
Total: 71W - 310W