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Modest Gaming Build

by manirelli

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NOTE: A more recent version of this guide is available here.

Description

Our Modest Gaming Build is built around the Intel i5-6500. If you do not plan to overclock your computer this is arguably the best mid-range processor on the market. We paired the i5 with a parametric list of H110 motherboard that supports up to 32GB of DDR4 memory, 4x SATA6 devices, and front panel USB3.0.

For this build and most machines outside of the top end enthusiast realm we opted to go with 8GB of DDR4 memory as the cost of DIMMs have dropped dramatically over the last year. The parametric filter finds the best price on 8GB kits of memory that are within Intel’s recommended specifications. Our storage choice is also based on parametric selection criteria – 2TB and 7200rpm are our standard recommendations for builds that incorporate a mechanical drive. With our increased budget we can also include a solid state drive selected by parametric filters. The cost of SSDs has steadily dropped over the past two years so you should be able to purchase at least a 240GB drive on this budget.

On a 800 dollar budget, the newly released AMD RX480 is a fantastic choice. This GPU has excellent performance for the price making this model one of the best graphics card choices on the market. At 1080p the RX 480 provides a consistent 60fps even on demanding games like Battlefield 4 using Ultra/High settings.

All of the components are housed in the Silverstone PS07B mATX mini-tower. This case is an affordable option that has front panel USB3.0, room for full size graphics cards, and cutouts in the motherboard tray for easy cable routing. For our power supply, we're using a parametric selection of well-reviewed fully and semi-modular units, all of which are 80+ Gold certified and provide more than enough power for this system.


Be sure to check out our build video based on this guide and the completed build with benchmarks and final build photos.

Also, our friends at NCIX and Newegg have once again created some great deals to help make this build your own for a little less cash!

Newegg has put together a SuperCombo based on the same ASRock H110M-DGS motherboard and XFX Radeon RX 480 used in the build video. They swapped out the HDD for a Seagate model and the PSU for a Cooler Master 550W, but otherwise kept the parts shown in the video. The bundle trims the price of the build by $25 compared to what we were able to get at the time of building.

NCIX is offering a bundle for both our US and Canadian users. The bundle, while still following the guide, offers a few changes from the components used in the video by selecting the Gigabyte GA-H110M-A motherboard, 650W Cooler Master PSU and an Intel SSD. After the bundle discount, the total price is within a few dollars of the build shown in the video. For more details, check out the bundles at NCIX Canada and NCIX US.

A big thanks to NCIX and Newegg for making these deals available!

Part List Customize This Part List

Compatibility Check: No issues/incompatibilities found.

Estimated Wattage: 310W
Component Selection Base Promo Shipping Tax Price Where
CPU €185.00 €3.95 €188.95 PC Componentes Buy
Motherboard €51.11 Free two-day shipping with Amazon Prime €51.11 Amazon Espana Buy
Memory
From parametric filter
  • Type: 288-pin DIMM
  • Size: 8GB (1x8GB), 8GB (2x4GB)
  • Heat Spreader: Yes
€74.08 €5.90 €79.98 Electronicamente Buy
Storage
From parametric filter
  • Capacity: 240GB - 10TB
  • Type: SSD
  • Interface: SATA 6 Gb/s
  • Form Factor: 2.5"
€82.99 €82.99 Amazon Espana Buy
From parametric filter
  • Capacity: 2TB - 10TB
  • Type: 7200RPM
  • Interface: SATA 6 Gb/s
  • Form Factor: 3.5"
€68.02 Free two-day shipping with Amazon Prime €68.02 Amazon Espana Buy
Video Card
From parametric filter
  • Chipset: Radeon RX 480
€306.00 €306.00 Amazon Espana Buy
Case €94.60 Free two-day shipping with Amazon Prime €94.60 Amazon Espana Buy
Power Supply €139.95 €139.95 Amazon Espana Buy
Base Total: €1001.75
Shipping: €9.85
Total: €1011.60
* Using your selected merchants and only including nearby in-store pickup prices)
* Some physical dimension restrictions cannot (yet) be automatically checked, such as cpu cooler / RAM clearance with modules using tall heat spreaders.

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Maxxoz 14 points 15 months ago

The Capstone G isn't really a good unit. Nothing like the original Capstone. Better get a Seasonic S12II for 5 bucks less or a M12II for 5 bucks more (I'd recommend M12II though).

And I would just spend like 10 bucks more for a B150 board.

Energycore 2 points 15 months ago

Actually I would rank the Capstone G in a similar place as the S12II. But the actual best value for a PSU right now is the Rosewill Quark 550W. It's better than a S12II, 80+ Platinum, and $54.99 after rebate.

boofheadfred 1 Build 3 points 15 months ago

That's the 1200 watt unit, so you can't really compare them.

vagabond139 5 Builds -2 points 15 months ago

Yes you can, if anything the 1200 watt unit will be the best out of ALL of them.

boofheadfred 1 Build 7 points 15 months ago

That's not true. One example of this is the Corsair RM series. The 550 and 650 watt units are excellent, with good ripple control, high quality caps etc, yet the 750 watt unit uses sub par caps and generally underperforms for its price point.

Kormarg 2 points 14 months ago

Don't tell me you are the kind of guy who thinks more watt means a better quality power supply...

Anything above 600 W is useless for 99.5% of builds (even with SLI and 4 HDD) .

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Energycore 1 point 15 months ago

Yeah I seem to have mistaken it for the original Capstone.

LemonComputers 3 points 15 months ago

Nothing like the original Capstone.

Maxxoz 1 point 14 months ago

The M12II is the same price now by the way. Even on the spec sheet it's better with full modularity.

TheBoxTroll 6 points 15 months ago

I was looking at the price in disbelief, and then I realised, its in USD because I forgot to switch to Australia. Luhmayoh.

Nathan291 2 points 15 months ago

I feel ur struggles man, shipping and everything is crazy down here

InvaderGir 2 points 15 months ago

Great build and video as usual. One thing I will say though is that case looks like more hassle than it's worth, six screws just to get to the PSU.

MEATLIFTER 1 point 14 months ago

The case is the easiest part to change IMHO

You have a huge selection on newegg.com, for example. MicroATX cases are easy af to come by, even if you want something that looks decent and is cheap. Like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353096

PSUperSaiyan 2 points 15 months ago

Rx 480 doesn't even exist yet. That card is so cheap, MSI thought it was a good idea to make the price even better just to keep it in stock:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA85V4R42628&cm_re=rx_480-_-14-127-953-_-Product

Prepare the bleach. This card is going to take more than a few days to drop to MSRP.

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Andzx02 6 Builds 2 points 15 months ago

i'd make a few changes... http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qg8rr7

BiaxialObject48 4 points 14 months ago

Kingston SSDVNow is not very reliable.

LemonComputers 2 points 14 months ago

Exactly! I wish I could upvote this more.

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Energycore 2 points 15 months ago

Hey! I believe the best Power Supply for the cost that you've set in this build is the Rosewill Quark 550W Platinum-Certified Fully-Modular PSU, electrically it's pretty damn good and its feature set and efficiency are uncontested given its price of $54.99 after rebate.

No I don't work for Rosewill :P

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Energycore 2 points 15 months ago

Even at $74.99 it's a pretty good value proposition. Electrically similar to a GQ that retails for around the same, but Platinum rated

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Jtridin 1 Build 2 points 15 months ago

manirelli with anotha good build

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 15 months ago
JonnoLags 1 point 14 months ago

nice profile pic

AlbertHwang 2 points 14 months ago

All I see is "parametric, parametric, parametric".

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

Exactly.

NepenthesLucas 1 point 15 months ago

I might use this build! :D

GH0ST_DATA 1 point 15 months ago

Me too! +1

NepenthesLucas -4 points 15 months ago

lmao!

KV3NU21 -3 points 15 months ago

I got a similar build for about 55$ cheaper. Chek it out! http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LrRTH Suggestions are highly appreciated!

groud 1 Build 1 point 15 months ago

Beauty. Why 480 over 1060 for another $10?

TeraBuilds 4 points 15 months ago

1060 is good for dx11 games and opengl,and the rx 480 is the best on dx12 games and Vulcan.so GTX 1060 is the best for now and R 480 for the future.

jari1123 2 points 15 months ago

I believe that the 480 is more future-proof. It supports crossfire which can make the system still cheaper than most, with great performance, and a long life-span. It's really all preference.

rhali8 2 Builds 2 points 14 months ago

That is very true, but the RX 480 is generally much cheaper, which is a big selling point.

Mr.Z 2 points 15 months ago

The 1060 isn't actually better in DX 12 and Vulkan the 480 just edges it our slightly so both are more like alternatives than competitors it just depends on what you plan on playing. It might also be because of a crossfire configuration in the future. Lastly AMD is known to be late on their drivers, so in the future the 480 could turn out to be a better DX 11 card than the 1060.

Chimera111x 0 points 15 months ago

They are saying that the RX 480 is better in DX12 and Vulkan, and the 1060 is better in DX11.

Overall it depends on the title as far as which card is better in DX12 than the other.

It does appear that the RX 480 has greater performance than the 1060 on some titles, and is barely behind the 1060 on titles where the 1060 beats out the RX 480.

Here is an article showing benchmarks between the two cards in DX12 and Vulkan on some titles: http://wccftech.com/rx-480-gtx-1060-dx12-vulkan-tested/

Jinx83 1 Build 2 points 14 months ago

I would agree with the choice of a 480, future sli option is always nice and dx12/vulkan is the way of the future. There are a few games right now that just pay lips service to dx12, if you want to see a game that can really use a low api play doom(2016) using vulkan its amazing and the 480 will crush what the 1060 can do with games truly designed to use it.

Marvy_ 1 point 15 months ago

Maybe so you could crossfire in the future

BattleDonkey -4 points 15 months ago

crossfiring/sli'ing budget cards is like putting a turbo on a ******* moped lmao

grayhatter 5 points 15 months ago

It's super awesome, and you should definitely do it?

JayPhilly 2 points 15 months ago

This sounds like something Archer would say.

Energycore 3 points 15 months ago

Holy **** I want turbo on a moped naooo

LemonComputers 1 point 15 months ago

crossfiring/sli'ing budget cards is like putting a turbo on a [profanity] moped lmao

What?

Jinx83 1 Build 1 point 14 months ago

lol

BiaxialObject48 1 point 14 months ago

Except for the fact that the RX 480 is AMD's highest end offering till the RX 490 (which is supposedly a dual-Polaris card) and Vega.

Edit: Not to mention the fact that 2 RX 480s in CF perform amazingly in 1440p.

BattleDonkey 1 point 14 months ago

So does my single 1070 with a lower power draw and none of the drawbacks like relying on devs to code for crossfire. Not every game performs like crap with it but quite a few games that I play don't even support sli or crossfire.

GGoter 1 Build -1 points 15 months ago

Probably was out of their budget, but you don't HAVE to get the 480, spew the extra 10$ and get a nice 1060 :)

BoredGamer 4 points 15 months ago

The 480 will perform better in DX12 Games because of it's hardware optimization dx12 is the future i would go with that over the 1060 however much i like their software

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kecosgrove 1 Build 1 point 15 months ago

Solid RX480 build. If there is one thing i would change here, it is absolutely the case. The PS07B is quite a nice case for compact builds, but it is not easy to work in nor is it that inexpensive. The PS08B is an uglier but very cost efficient option. Alternatively the Raidmax Hyperion is a nicer looking and easier to work in case which saves 10 dollars (which can go towards a 1060).

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Darkwizard789 1 point 15 months ago

Just out of curiousity, why are so many of these builds microATX, and not ATX?

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 9 points 15 months ago

Nearly all builds are single GPU and 1-2 storage. The benefit from ATX cases are additional room for storage, watercooling, and SLI/CF. mATX cases provide everything you need for a single GPU build without taking up the extra space. That being said, cases are largely a subjective choice and each person has their own aesthetic preferences.

Unuvailiable 2 Builds 3 points 15 months ago

maybe because the matx motherboards are cheaper than the atx boards so he chooses matx over atx

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LemonComputers 1 point 15 months ago

Not necessarily; there are plenty of high quality mATX motherboards out there and there are several poor quality ATX motherboards too.

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LemonComputers 1 point 15 months ago

Yes there are poor and good quality motherboards in both form factors, but generally speaking a Z170 mATX motherboard isn't going to be as beefy as a ATX Z170 motherboard in the same price range.

There are plenty of nice, high quality mATX motherboards out there too. Features and quality are two different things in my opinion.

joesurgenor 1 point 15 months ago

could i replace the 480 with a 1070? would that work

RileyMclinn 1 point 15 months ago

Yes

Jinx83 1 Build 1 point 14 months ago

That would give you a lot more gpu horse power but also cost you like 200$ usd more then the 480, however I do think the 1070 is a great option for price/performance if you have the extra cash in your budget.

iJeewon 1 point 15 months ago

I've been gone for a while and came back to this site... why can't creators make their own build guides anymore?

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Heaps 1 point 15 months ago

Hi guys, just a quick noob question if I can connect this to a wifi or would I need to install one of those wifi thingies and would it fit into this microtower? Also, is this a decent build for Aion and Fallout 4 on high settings? Thank you

Scubasteviewonder 2 points 14 months ago

I also want to know this answer please. Why was the answer deleted?

BiaxialObject48 1 point 14 months ago

You can connect this to WiFi, either through a PCIe add-in card (which you would put in a slot near your graphics card) or a USB dongle (I found this to get lower speeds).

jalarson5 1 Build 1 point 14 months ago

yeah, go with a PCIe option. They don't cost that much and the better ones come with Bluetooth also!

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Heaps 1 point 15 months ago

Thanks a lot man

EnonZ 1 point 15 months ago

GIGABYTE Radeon RX 480 8GB - £255

ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1060 Mini 6GB - £244

Which one should I get?

bodywash 1 point 15 months ago

1060 is better for current games, but rx 480 is better in the future because of dx12. you should probably go for the 1060 because a) its cheaper at lesst where you are, and b) its almost as good as the rx 480 in dx12

EnonZ 1 point 15 months ago

Aight, ty.

nick_adell 1 point 15 months ago

Hey guys i want to start streaming Call of Duty on PS4 so I was wondering if this is a good choice for a streaming PC? id also not mind playing some h1z1 aswell :)

BiaxialObject48 1 point 14 months ago

You could use a much cheaper PC for only streaming (no dedicated graphics) but if you are going to game, you could buy an RX 460 or RX 470 (the 470 is really close to the 480).

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nick_adell 1 point 15 months ago

ok thanks for the advice!

Snaredrum14 1 point 15 months ago

anybody else have problems with the graphics card not fitting the case in this build? they physically do not fit...

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NoBallaHorn 1 point 15 months ago

Ok, i know next to nothing about building a pc, but with this guide and the video provided i think i'm ready to build my first pc. Just a quick question though, is everything in the video in the parts list, even the cables?

firudu 1 point 14 months ago

i´m about to do the same, how well does the build work for you so far?

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bro_dell 1 point 15 months ago

Great build, I actually modeled mine after this. One thing though, when you originally posted this you were using the Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case. Why did you choose to use a different case?

KV3NU21 1 point 15 months ago

I got a similar build for about 55$ cheaper. Chek it out! http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LrRTH Suggestions are highly appreciated!

TheBlackPython 1 Build 1 point 15 months ago

nice

tseringlaz 1 point 15 months ago

is this a good build for editing videos?

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KV3NU21 -1 points 15 months ago

I got a similar build for about 55$ cheaper. Chek it out! http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LrRTH Suggestions are highly appreciated!

YamwiseGamgee 1 point 15 months ago

I was thinking about replacing the case with a corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case. This is my first build so I wanna play it safe... but the corsair got better reviews and some similar builds use it. Is everything in this build compatible with the corsair?

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YamwiseGamgee 1 point 15 months ago

Thank you!

Retro_Reptar 1 point 15 months ago

The guides and builds the PPP team puts out are tremendously helpful to me as a learner trying to make sense of all the different inputs that go into building a first PC. I love the descriptions of each aspect of the build, what the pros and cons of the build are, and the presence of a video guide to help us transform the separate components into a cohesive gaming system. Huge value add for me as a new user!

MJG77 1 point 15 months ago

The i7-6700 is available for $299.99 on Amazon. I'd be willing to put in the extra money for it since I already have a PSU and SSD available. Is this motherboard suitable for the i7-6700, or will I have to buy a better one?

BiaxialObject48 1 point 14 months ago

Great deal, you should definitely go for it. When I built my system, there were insane discounts at a nearby MicroCenter and I got a brand new Intel Core i7 4790K (this was last summer, so no Skylake yet) for $280.

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GGoter 1 Build 1 point 15 months ago

I need help, I know this is unrelated to the build, but I pressed a few buttons and my page is in this weird new format, how do I change it back?

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Baumholder 1 point 15 months ago

Okay this is going to be my first computer build and before I order the parts I was confused on one thing, why do you have a ssd and a hard drive, I thought you could only have one or the other or do they do good together?

BiaxialObject48 1 point 14 months ago

You can use both together - I do that like many other gamers. The SSD serves to load the OS and some programs you want quick access to (like small games) while the HDD stores everything else.

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harrison.stone 1 point 15 months ago

Does this build come with windows 10, or another operating system (I'm new and don't understand, sorry)? If it does, how do I install it, and if not, how do I get and install it?

BiaxialObject48 1 point 14 months ago

It doesn't, but you could install Linux or the Windows 10 Insider Preview - both are free.

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preaux 1 Build 1 point 15 months ago

The heatspreader parametric filter is funny. This is 1.2v DDR4 not 2.2v DDR2. Heatspreaders are really just for looks.

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stalememes 1 point 15 months ago

The build is pretty good, but the psu choice is not that good. for the same price right now, you can get a FULLY MODULAR rosewill 550 watt power supply for the same price

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lightningfastVCRrepair 1 point 15 months ago

I find the Team Dark L3 SSD to be a better value. To anyone thinking of building this, spend a little more on a modest z170 board for future upgrades (kaby-lake, or just 6700's once they're cheap down the line). Good luck.

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lightningfastVCRrepair 1 point 15 months ago

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $29.49 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $103.98 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $34.98 @ Newegg
Storage Team DARK L3 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $37.99 @ Newegg
Storage Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $46.88 @ OutletPC
Video Card Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Mini Video Card $249.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Cougar Spike MicroATX Mini Tower Case $33.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $49.99 @ NCIX US
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $794.28
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-19 17:34 EDT-0400

For only a couple more buckaroos this is a much better build. The case is flexible, but the cougar spike is a good value.

You could also make this a mini itx build.

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MrPenguinMan123 1 point 15 months ago

Can i replace the micro atx case and motherboard with a mini atx case and motherboard If yes what should i replace it with. Thanks :)

LemonComputers 1 point 15 months ago

There's no such a form factor as Mini ATX. Do you mean Mini ITX?

MrPenguinMan123 1 point 15 months ago

yes please

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MrPenguinMan123 1 point 15 months ago

Thank you for the information.

jeremystitt 1 point 15 months ago

On the build video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmUQ8gbzaEA), the builder notes that the ASRock H110M only has one fan port and the CPU has two fan cables. He used a splitter to connect both. Would that same splitter be required for any H110M motherboard? It's a cheap part, just wanted to make sure it was needed if I ordered the Gigabyte GA-H110M like this part list suggests.

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 0 points 15 months ago

It will vary from board to board. Check the specs to see how many fan headers there are.

jeremystitt 1 point 15 months ago

After re-watching the video, I see now it is the CASE that has two fans in it, not the CPU. The Gigabyte GA-H110M motherboard only has one fan header, so a splitter is necessary if anyone is planning to use the Silverstone PS07B case for this build.

LonghornAlamo2040 1 point 15 months ago

I can't get behind this build, but if I knew a desperate person then I'll tell'em to look at this build.

georgethedreamer 1 point 15 months ago

I don't love the 6500 in this build.

If you're looking to pinch pennies without compromising on gaming performance, you should go with an i5 6400, it won't be a bottleneck in the slightest to that RX480.

If you're looking to be able to keep the CPU for one or two more GPU upgrade cycles, the 6500 won't cut it, it will hold back the next generation of GPU's. You'll need a 6600k if you want another upgrade cycle.

In short, the 6500 costs more than you need for a budget system like this without providing any extra performance (in games any way) or future expandability

LemonComputers 1 point 15 months ago

If you're looking to pinch pennies without compromising on gaming performance, you should go with an i5 6400, it won't be a bottleneck in the slightest to that RX480.

Bottlenecking completely depends on usage. For gaming, it depends on the game, resolution, and graphical settings. An i7-6950X could bottleneck the video card in some games and a Celeron might not bottleneck the video card in other games.

If you're looking to be able to keep the CPU for one or two more GPU upgrade cycles, the 6500 won't cut it, it will hold back the next generation of GPU's. You'll need a 6600k if you want another upgrade cycle.

Myth. The performance of an i5-6500 is almost as good as an i5-6600K.

georgethedreamer 1 point 15 months ago

I agree that bottlenecking totally varies, but a big portion of games don't require that much CPU at all. Doom, Witcher 3, SW:Battlefront, Fallout 4, and many games that people play just don't need an i5 6500. Your analagy with the 6950x is totally irrelevant, its a 10 core chip and games only use 4 cores. Most games that are CPU intensive will always be bottlenecked by CPU unless you spend almost double what you spent on the GPU on the CPU.

NO, JUST NO. The i5 6500 is a 3.2 GHZ chip. The 6600k can easily get to 4.3 GHZ. For games, thats huge

LemonComputers 1 point 15 months ago

I agree that bottlenecking totally varies, but a big portion of games don't require that much CPU at all. Doom, Witcher 3, SW:Battlefront, Fallout 4, and many games that people play just don't need an i5 6500. Your analagy with the 6950x is totally irrelevant, its a 10 core chip and games only use 4 cores.

The i7-6950X was only used as an example since it is Intel's highest end, and the Celeron was also only used as an example since it's Intel's lowest end. Also, while being uncommon, I'm sure there are some games out there that use more than four cores, but I could be wrong.

NO, JUST NO. The i5 6500 is a 3.2 GHZ chip. The 6600k can easily get to 4.3 GHZ. For games, thats huge

Core clock speed is only one factor and is not the only factor of performance. For example the i5-6400 has a core clock speed of only 2.7 GHz and the i3-6320 has a core clock speed of 3.9 GHz (neither can be overclocked) but the i5-6400 still has somewhat better performance in benchmarks because the i5 is quad core while the i3 is only dual core.

A benchmark comparison between the i5-6500 and i5-6600K: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6600K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6500/3503vs3513

In synthetic benchmarks, the i5-6600K is an average of 21% better than the i5-6500. Another thing to keep in mind is that each silicon chip is binned differently, so CPU X might be able to overclock to 4.5 GHz while CPU Y might be able to overclock to 4.2 GHz for example, even if both of them are the same model.

Also, even if the i5-6600K is ultimately has a larger advantage over the i5-6500 than I expected, that doesn't support your statement that the i5-6600K can be kept for a few more GPU upgrade cycles but the i5-6500 can't.

georgethedreamer 1 point 14 months ago

Core clock speed is only one factor and is not the only factor of performance. For example the i5-6400 has a core clock speed of only 2.7 GHz and the i3-6320 has a core clock speed of 3.9 GHz (neither can be overclocked) but the i5-6400 still has somewhat better performance in benchmarks because the i5 is quad core while the i3 is only dual core.

We're comparing 2 quad core, 4 thread chips with 6 megabytes of cache. Clock speed is the only defining factor

I'm sure there are some games out there that use more than four cores, but I could be wrong.

LTT tested games like city skylines and Arma 3, the most CPU intensive games, and showed that even in them, more than four cores are not utilized.

21% better performance can absolutely mean an extra GPU upgrade cycle. plus, the chips in those benchmarks weren't overclocked, so in reality its more

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

We're comparing 2 quad core, 4 thread chips with 6 megabytes of cache. Clock speed is the only defining factor

Gigaflops is also a defining factor, not just clock speed. The i5-6500 has 204.8 gigaflops of performance while the i5-6600 has 224 gigaflops of performance. That isn't very much of a difference - the i5-6600K only has 20.8 more gigaflops of power.

LTT tested games like city skylines and Arma 3, the most CPU intensive games, and showed that even in them, more than four cores are not utilized.

I know there are plenty of games out there that don't utilize four cores, but just because a game is one of the most CPU intensive games out there doesn't necessarily mean that it's the most likely of all games to utilize all four cores - I'm sure there are some games that do.

21% better performance can absolutely mean an extra GPU upgrade cycle. plus, the chips in those benchmarks weren't overclocked, so in reality its more

Actually, I believe that since the CPU is overclockable UserBenchmark does take into account overclocks since it's really a giant average of thousands of benchmarks and some users have their processors overclocked. For that matter, if none of the benchmarked CPUs were oveclocked, the performance difference would be smaller.

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francesk 1 point 15 months ago

i want a beginners gaming pc that could stream on twitch and i don't have to worry about it slowing down or crash. is this the right pc for me ?

LemonComputers 1 point 15 months ago

Yes except change the SSD from a Silicon Power one to a higher quality one.

francesk 1 point 15 months ago

thx

DyErIsSiK 1 point 15 months ago

Has anyone who has used the Rx 480 comfirm that they are still happy with it? Able to play games such as Overwatch? I'm trying to decide between it, the GeForce 1060 or possibly the 1070 for my first build. I just cant find a part list that I'm willing to jump on with all the negative reviews!

Also I'm having a hard time finding any of these cards in stock!

JonnoLags 1 point 14 months ago

Heres a parts list I made for a gaming, recording, streaming and video editing PC. Please let me know if you think I should change anything. My max budget is $1200, which is including the whole setup not just the PC. (Using Amazons prices as 2016/08/26. All parts listed do ship to South Africa(where I live), except for the motherboard.) Suggestions are much appreciated! ;)

$181 i5-4590 3.3GHz

~$70 Gigabyte B85m-hd3 Micro-atx Motherboard Lga 1150 (or similar)

$210 EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB SC GAMING, ACX 2.0 Single Fan (or 6gb if the price drops to around $255)

$75 BitFenix Micro ATX White Case (might get a different case)

$70 WD Blue 2TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 5400 RPM

$95 Corsair RMx Series, RM550x, 550W, Fully Modular Power Supply, 80+ Gold (might get non-modular)

$38 Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHz

$62 ADATA Premier SP550 240GB Read & Write up to560MB/s & 510MB/s SSD

$12 Glorious Large Gaming Mouse Pad

$43 Razer DeathAdder Essentials

$18 Razer Mouse Bungee (Razer cuz it's the only one that ships here)

$76 CM Storm QuickFire Rapid - Tenkeyless Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with CHERRY MX Brown Switches

$252 Asus VG248QE 24-inch 1080p 144hz Monitor

Total = $1,202

LemonComputers 2 points 14 months ago

I would get Skylake instead of Haswell which would require changing the motherboard as well as changing the RAM from DDR3 to DDR4.

JonnoLags 1 point 14 months ago

Thank you! I agree. I did more research and made a new parts list:

Zotac ZT-P10610A-10L GeForce GTX 1060 Mini 3GB GDDR5 192-bit PCI-E 3.0 Desktop Graphics Card Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H DDR4 LGA1151 Skylake Micro-ATX Desktop Motherboard

Phanteks PH-ES215P_BK Enthoo Evolv ITX Black Steel Windowed Mini-ITX Desktop Chassis

WD Blue 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 RPM 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch Desktop Hard Drive (WD10EZEX)

EVGA 500 W1, 80+ WHITE 500W, 3 Year Warranty, Power Supply

Kingston Technology HyperX FURY Black 8 GB 2133 MHz CL14 DIMM DDR4 Internal Memory (HX421C14FB2/8)

Intel Boxed Core I5-6500 FC-LGA14C 3.20 Ghz 6 M Processor Cache 4 LGA 1151 (BX80662I56500)

ADATA Premier SP550 240GB 2.5 Inch SATA III Superior Read & Write up to560MB/s & 510MB/s Solid State Drive (ASP550SS3-240GM-C)

LemonComputers 2 points 14 months ago

Can you post your parts list by clicking the PCPP icon in the markup shelf at the top of your parts list and pasting it into your comment?

JonnoLags 1 point 14 months ago

Many of these parts are not featured on PCPP so I can't make a parts list on this site, if that's what you are saying.

LemonComputers 2 points 14 months ago

That's probably because they're being filtered out by the compatibility filter due to being incompatible with another part in your list.

Dannyliang77 1 point 14 months ago

Why Sapphire Radeon bro? It cost $318.72. You could just use a GTX 950 and it cost like $189.99 .

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

Actually, the RX 480 has much better performance than the GTX 950: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-950-vs-AMD-RX-480/3510vs3634

TheOutlawKind 1 point 14 months ago

This build looks good but why did you not include the operating system along with a mouse and keyboard you need both to actually use a PC.

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 2 points 14 months ago

We focus on the core pc. Not everyone uses windows or pays the same amount. School deals, old keys, msdn subscriptions, etc.

Mouse and keyboard are highly subjective purchases and will vary quite a bit from person to person.

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

I believe that most if not all of the staff build guides here focus on the box and don't include the operating system and peripherals.

mindblasters 1 point 14 months ago

I'm thinking about getting a build at least similar to this, but I'm not a big fan of the mother board. Would the Asus Z170I PRO GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard be enough of an upgrade to justify the increase of cost or is it not worth it?

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

What's wrong with the build guide's motherboard?

patrat3121 1 point 14 months ago

This case doesn't have a window does it? Any idea of one that does for a low price range?

abruptrealtiy 1 point 14 months ago

attempted to purchase this combo from NCIX

called the day after I made the order to check on everything and was told that even though the bundle showed as "in stock" - the GPU and the case were on back order and I would have to wait 2-3+ weeks for either of them to show up.

incredible.. refund please?

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

You should try to contact NCIX customer service. I highly doubt that PCPP will give you a refund/compensation for a delayed order - I just don't see that happening.

abruptrealtiy 1 point 14 months ago

thankfully I called within a 48 hour gap and was refunded the full amount.

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

Good.

Gonawus 1 point 14 months ago

Can this PC edit videos as well?

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

Depends on how heavy of usage.

ccfttuy123 1 point 14 months ago

Buy a cheaper case and put the money toward dual channel memory or a better processor.

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

put the money toward dual channel memory

Single channel memory is fine and more than good enough for gaming.

or a better processor.

The i5-6500 is an excellent processor and since this is a modest gaming build there's no need for anything higher end.

BlameBlame 1 point 14 months ago

I dunno if this is the right place to ask this, but with the SSD thing... 240GB doesn't sound like a lot. How do you have storage for everything, taking into account OS and the hefty GB space that a lot of games take up. Is there something I'm missing about how an SSD works compared to a HD?

LemonComputers 2 points 14 months ago

As long as you have a secondary storage device like an HDD, 240-256GB is fine, but 500-512GB is better.

BlameBlame 1 point 14 months ago

Thanks. Did some research since I wrote this comment. I can see what you mean. It looks like a lot of people are using lower GB SSD and then doing a lot of their games through streaming, or only having a couple on the SSD at a time. From what I can tell, any games that are on the SSD will benefit from its better speed and anything on secondary storage won't. Is that accurate?

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

From what I can tell, any games that are on the SSD will benefit from its better speed and anything on secondary storage won't. Is that accurate?

Not quite. Games that are on the SSD will benefit by launching faster, but the performance difference between HDD and SSD when playing the game is very slim to none.

PCNoob22 1 point 14 months ago

Do You think I could get this to around 500 on Black Friday or cyber Monay?? I'm working on a budget of 600 including monitor. Any good monitors for about $100??

FreezOn41 1 point 14 months ago

What do you get for a CPU cooler ?

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

The processor comes with a stock cooler. Since this build doesn't allow for overclocking, the Intel stock cooler will suffice.

GLHFsport 1 point 14 months ago

thats a nice price

RoganMD 1 point 14 months ago

Pretty good maybe upgrade the motherboard as stated below. Maybe a bit more storage behind it since it is a "modest" build. Possibly upgrade the CPU to 6600k

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

Pretty good maybe upgrade the motherboard as stated below.

The build guide already has a pretty good motherboard in my opinion.

Maybe a bit more storage behind it since it is a "modest" build.

2 TB is enough HDD storage in my opinion.

Possibly upgrade the CPU to 6600k

The performance difference between the i5-6500 and the i5-6600K is small. The main thing you'd be paying for with the i5-6600K is support for overclocking which can't be used without a Z170 motherboard.

Polyblank 1 point 14 months ago

What would be another good option for a micro ATX motherboard with more than one fan header

Polyblank 1 point 14 months ago

What are some other options for a good mATX motherboard with more fan headers?

anjumzkie 1 point 14 months ago

Hi, I'm 14 and I was thinking to build this PC http://pcpartpicker.com/list/v47h3F for gaming purposes, game such as Call of Duty Black Ops 3, Battlefield 4 and 1, Minecraft, Gta V, etc... My question is should I use the EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB SC or keep the MSI GeForce GTX 950 2GB?

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

My question is should I use the EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB SC or keep the MSI GeForce GTX 950 2GB?

The GTX 950 will be faster than the GTX 750 Ti.

anjumzkie 1 point 14 months ago

Thanks for the advice, infact I just watched some comparison and the GeForce GTX 950 is always in advantage of fps around 10-20 frames.

Krodin 1 point 14 months ago

did you steal my build?

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

I don't think so...

Krodin 1 point 14 months ago

oh lol it looked really similar to mine

Relaxasaurus 1 point 14 months ago

Appreciate this guide. I already have an ATX case and am looking to upgrade. Should I get the ATX version of this motherboard, or will the mATX version fit? Thanks for any help

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Either one should work with the case.

Pivotguy 1 point 14 months ago

i have a better build at the 750 dollar price http://pcpartpicker.com/list/nv7ygL

LemonComputers 2 points 14 months ago

Just FYI the EVGA 500B is a mediocre quality power supply and I'd recommend something better quality like a Corsair CXM or EVGA SuperNOVA B2/G2 instead.

Sillybob 1 point 14 months ago

Would the build be compromissed if the case is switched to a NZXT Phantom 410 White Case?

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

You can edit the part list and swap the case to see if there are any potential issues.

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

No.

texascombo 1 point 14 months ago

Im kind of new to this, but is there any downside to using a larger case??

Such as this one?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RQzZxr/thermaltake-case-ca1c900m1wn00

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

As long as it is compatible and it fits your personal needs, no.

erichard1888 1 point 14 months ago

i really like this build because of how much you fit into about $800 but the only changes i would make is a fully modular psu and an nzxt s340 case for a little cheaper i belive correct me if im wrong but ill defenently use this build

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

With a fully modular PSU and the NZXT S340 case, this build would actually be a little more expensive than the original build.

Pirthy 1 point 14 months ago

Can this run like any game like overwatch? And can you stream on this

yogyo 1 point 14 months ago

"modest" "$800" @_@

LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

$800 is pretty good for a modest gaming build.

Aristo1 1 point 13 months ago

I've been considering different builds and this one appeals to me, given my budget. If you were to bump the RX 480 up to a 8GB and maybe splurge on 16GB of RAM, are there good 1080p monitors with high (120hz) refresh rates that would keep the total under $1k or thereabouts? I confess to not knowing much about monitors when compared with the "base box" parts.

Slurth 1 Build 1 point 13 months ago

My question for you manirelli, is why not go for a 6600k instead of the 6500, it's about 30 bucks more and allows you to overclock if you switch out the mobo at a later date. It also runs about 300 MHz faster out of the box.

LemonComputers 1 point 13 months ago

You can always pay a little bit more for extra performance, but if you're paying a little more, and a little more, and a little more, and so on for extra performance, then at some point it's going to exceed the budget.

bartthevelein 1 point 13 months ago

Hi, I used this guide for my very first build. After assembling everything and installing windows and the videocard drivers, I tried Far Cry 4 and WoW on it. However, they both run abysmally slow, between 1 and 5 fps. Does annyone have anny idea what i did wrong?

I made some minor changes to the build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/bartthevelein/saved/Xd9WZL

I saved both windows 10 and the games to the SSD.

Anny help is appreciated!

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 13 months ago

Make sure your GPU cables are plugged into your GPU and not your motherboard.

Daytona365 1 point 13 months ago

How well will this run modern games such as witcher 3 or battlefield one?

LemonComputers 1 point 13 months ago

Pretty good.

WyseguyCA 1 point 13 months ago

Hey Team, I wont waste time puffing your egos, but this place is amazing and the community is an amazing resource for all us noobys. I have been casually paying attention to DIY PC builds since the 780ti, but then wait and wait I did. Hopefully, with a little help you can give me some pointers on possible part changes (Most parts from MICROcenter-Tustin) and so the major ticket item(GPU, CPU, MB, CASE) have another week if I was to make any drastic changes, hopefully Not Neccesary..I already went back and considered swapping MB for B110 and putting $ elsewhere, but I dismissed as Buyer's Remorse and thought Id better seek council before I make any drastic changes..

Some difficulty with install, not done yet, stupid Optical Drive - Windows. Also, probably get a basic WD Blue 7200rm usually around $50. I may have a free copy of Windows from related home biz computer/server. NO cost for OS.

Case was basic, but effective enough.

MAIN POINT OF CONTENTION...I keep reading how many Savvy builders are using the i3-6100 and pair with better GPU. I really wanted to buy into at least an i5 Level of Performance, and appreciated the rx 480 and AMD's penchant for improving performance over time vs Peaking right away. I would likely Crossfire at Black Friday or perhaps VEGA info will be available by then. I realize Nvidia has a lot going for it, but if given the option, I dont like one company to monopolize my gaming options. Couldnt imagine if growing up SEGA didnt have Nintendo, and the more competition the better profucts/service/value for all of us..However, I wouldnt accept an inferior product either.

WOuld anyone argue for i3 & 1070 over the i5&480?? Seems like a bottleneck rookie move to spend 3.5X on a CPU as a GPU. ANd since this is my first build I thought id avoid that landmine. Or as we say at the beach, dont be a KOOK?! lol.

I appreciate anyone's time if they can lend a thought.

Ill post pics momentarily. Only have $60 budgeted for parts.

WyseguyCA 1 point 13 months ago

Easier in my head..First PC Build. Gaming/Future Proof/Productivity Edit Part List Edit Details Delete

Component Selection Price
CPU

Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor $197.88 Buy Motherboard

Asus H170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $122.98 Buy Memory

Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $40.98 Buy Storage

Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $67.99 Buy Video Card

XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB XXX OC Video Card $253.98 Buy Case

Thermaltake Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case $34.98 Buy Power Supply

EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $49.99 Buy Case Fan

Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan $6.95 Buy Total: $775.73

WyseguyCA 1 point 13 months ago

MicroCenter deal gave me $30 off MB/CPU Combo, before I get slammed for the MB being pricey or having too many features, it seems that I read often not to skimp there or on PSU, so with a Future Proof buld in mind, I took the Clerks advice. But he's prob on commission.

LemonComputers 1 point 13 months ago

The EVGA 600B is a mediocre quality power supply and should be replaced with a Corsair CXM for about the same price.

LemonComputers 1 point 13 months ago

Some difficulty with install, not done yet, stupid Optical Drive - Windows. Also, probably get a basic WD Blue 7200rm usually around $50. I may have a free copy of Windows from related home biz computer/server. NO cost for OS.

Uhh...are you pirating? I hope not.

MAIN POINT OF CONTENTION...I keep reading how many Savvy builders are using the i3-6100 and pair with better GPU. I really wanted to buy into at least an i5 Level of Performance, and appreciated the rx 480 and AMD's penchant for improving performance over time vs Peaking right away. I would likely Crossfire at Black Friday or perhaps VEGA info will be available by then. I realize Nvidia has a lot going for it, but if given the option, I dont like one company to monopolize my gaming options. Couldnt imagine if growing up SEGA didnt have Nintendo, and the more competition the better profucts/service/value for all of us..However, I wouldnt accept an inferior product either.

The Core i3 is a great budget gaming processor if you can't afford anything better, but if you can't afford an i5, that would be somewhat better.

WOuld anyone argue for i3 & 1070 over the i5&480?? Seems like a bottleneck rookie move to spend 3.5X on a CPU as a GPU. ANd since this is my first build I thought id avoid that landmine. Or as we say at the beach, dont be a KOOK?! lol.

There will always be bottlenecks of some sort, and bottelencking depends on the specific game, resolution, and graphical settings. Even the most powerful CPU could bottleneck the weakest GPU and vice versa.

ProBananas 1 point 13 months ago

Sorry if I sound really stupid but (very new to PC building) , this build doesn't need an optical drive? How would you install your OS on it?

LemonComputers 1 point 13 months ago

You can purchase a USB Windows license or download Windows onto your own USB drive. Neither of those methods require any optical drive.

SnavsGaming101 0 points 15 months ago

Just like everyone else, go that little bit more (I know its like $10 in America, but a little more in Australia) and get a pretty good graphics card. the 1060 definitely out performs the RX480, but its like $10 more. Its not going to kill you to upgrade and have a beast graphics card

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SnavsGaming101 0 points 15 months ago

Very true, but in my case, I would go with the GTX 1060. If I were to get an RX480, I would pair it wiht an AMD core (I have my reasons)

KV3NU21 -1 points 15 months ago

I got a similar build for about 55$ cheaper. Chek it out! http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LrRTH Suggestions are highly appreciated!

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KV3NU21 1 point 15 months ago

Thanks for the advice,i went with http://pcpartpicker.com/product/7tp323/gigabyte-motherboard-gah170md3h for the motherboard, i changed the ssd to a sandisk 240gb and for the powersupply i went with http://pcpartpicker.com/product/TGsKHx/rosewill-power-supply-arcm550

The current build is now http://pcpartpicker.com/list/87ZXbj

What do you think?

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xkillertenzo 0 points 15 months ago

The 1060 would be a better choice (No intended Bashing) because its more performance and its not that expensive 399.99 in memory express i could price match it to the cheapest online but the 480 is still a great choice its VR-Ready and can play games at 1080p max settings and for 300 bucks your getting a pretty sweet video card but i will always recommend Custom coolers or water-cooled gpus instead of the reference design but if you dont mind temps up to 72-80c and less oc headroom then thats fine with me whatever floats your boat.

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Cicero_ 4 Builds 0 points 15 months ago

I think I would go for a 6600k if anyone wants to splurge a little, because it's only $30 more and you're getting a MUCH better cpu.

n0body_ep1c 1 point 15 months ago

Realistically, its $50 more, since the i5-6600K does not come with a cooler, and the purchase of a good cooler, brings that price up. I dont particularly recommend spending the extra $50, because the CPU doesn't even bottleneck the RX480. If we want to keep this in the "modest" area, its best if we stay with the i5-6500.

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KV3NU21 0 points 15 months ago

I got a similar build for about 55$ cheaper. Chek it out! http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LrRTH Suggestions are highly appreciated!

xkillertenzo -2 points 15 months ago

This is like 1100 dollars because you would have to purchase windows 10 what do we do with no OS pirate one?

philip staff 10 Builds 5 points 15 months ago

Nope. Don't be a pirate. If Windows isn't affordable, perhaps consider linux?

xkillertenzo -1 points 15 months ago

i know not to pirate windows im just saying that people keep forgetting it in theyre builds and its like they want us to pirate windows i never said yeah pirate windows so you could get it for free i was just saying like they consider builds like 650 dollars to 1000 when they dont include windows lol

philip staff 10 Builds 4 points 15 months ago

It's pretty common not to include the OS in part lists - mainly because there can be a variety of ways to acquire it legally. i.e. Linux - free. Are you a university student? Most universities have discounts on different OS licenses if you are a student. The price can really vary considerably depending on your situation.

LemonComputers 3 points 15 months ago

No, pirating Windows is illegal and a violation of Microsoft EULA and TOS. If you can't afford Windows, you must not pirate it but rather use a legally free operating system like Linux.

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 2 points 15 months ago

Do not advocate piracy.

rawriorr -5 points 15 months ago

Not gonna lie, this is pretty bad. I have about double the power of this build in the one i just made for $100 less... You can have a Xeon 1231v3 and a bstock 970/980ti for tihs price, and not use the worst SSD in existence and 8gb of ram for 800... try again.

vagabond139 5 Builds 3 points 15 months ago

I have about double the power of this build in the one i just made for $100 less...

BS. That would mean you have roughly a i7 6900K along with a GTX 1080. With just those two parts it would cost WAY more than this build.

ou can have a Xeon 1231v3 and a bstock 970/980ti for tihs price

A GTX 970 would be worse and a GTX 980 Ti would cost more.

not use the worst SSD in existence

And you know the E100 is bad how? It lacks any reviews.

8gb of ram for 800.

The price is $30....

rawriorr 0 points 15 months ago

You're right I was being exxagerative, but realistically, around 30%+ depending on the application, especially CPU intensive applications.

LIst: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/H489NN

This was something I built for a friend a week ago. (EVGA SSC 980ti B stock.) A 970 wouldve cut this down to $670. A 480 would be $700. Whatever you're feelin. The $1060 is at $215 as well :)

Xeon 1231v3 is basically a i7-4770 (Not a huge difference between that and the 6700k tbh. The difference between the 4770 and 4790k was a few % and the difference between 4790k and 6700k is a few %)

You dont get much for having a 3.2 locked skylake i5 over the equiv of an i7-4770 with hyperthreading (and no temp issues) for the same price, with cheaper mobo options. You wont see a performance gain from the RAM really.

And then parametric filters for the rest, and the case is even overkill. could cut $20 something but irrelevant.

And for clarification, the 970 is roughly on par with the 480 in DX11, DX 12 it is a push and pull but generally 480 edges out, I'm not disagreeing with you :)

EVGA bstock had 970s at $170 and 980ti at $300.

KV3NU21 -1 points 15 months ago

I got a similar build for about 55$ cheaper. Chek it out! http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LrRTH Suggestions are highly appreciated! What do you think?

Phili_King -5 points 15 months ago

Boo! why would you even choose i5 choose i7

LemonComputers 3 points 15 months ago

The i5 is also a great processor and since this is a modest gaming build there is no need for a much more expensive i7.

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manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 3 points 15 months ago

Single vs dual channel has almost zero effect on gaming. The motherboard will not bottleneck or choke either the CPU or the GPU. It simply doesn't work that way.

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philip staff 10 Builds 2 points 15 months ago

On this site you'll find very little advice on rocketry. We're certainly not qualified in that domain. However, I can assure you that our staff are qualified to discuss PC hardware. Manirelli is correct - within gaming, RAM channels have negligible effect. For other domains that may not be the case. And you can trust that I have the appropriate and relevant qualifications to back up that claim.

Regarding the link below on motherboards choking CPUs - I believe you may be mistaken. That link describes using a B-series chipset for an unlocked processor. In which case the unlocked CPU cannot be overclocked. It doesn't "choke" it, but rather doesn't allow the CPU to fully utilize it's feature set. (i.e. a higher quality B-series motherboard will not buy you significantly more performance.)

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manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

Comments like this will not be tolerated on our site.

codm16 1 point 14 months ago

What?

philip staff 10 Builds 1 point 14 months ago

As in, keep it polite or don't comment on the site.

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ReadySteadyDoom 5 points 15 months ago

I don't know if you have noticed but this guy isn't looking for aesthetics, if he was he would have opted for a case with a side window, all he did was build a Modest Gaming Build as it says in the title. The ram is cheap and good, who cares about heat spreaders or aesthetics? I agree that the PSU may have been a poor choice but the motherboard for its price will do its job so once again there should be no complaints. if you believe you can make a better computer for the same price or even if its a little more expensive then please do and put that on display for everyone to see instead of complaining about a perfectly Modest Gaming Build.

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fivepiece 1 point 15 months ago

So you'd rather pump money into a z170 motherboard with a locked CPU instead of have an ssd. Gotcha. Find me a 240gb ssd worth a damn for $20 too.

PizzaMasterRace 2 points 15 months ago

"A 240GB SSD can also be added for $20 MORE" I highlighted the part you didn't seem to comprehend

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Xizt 1 Build 1 point 15 months ago

I agree with you. Who cares if you have a locked CPU with a z170 board. If the z170 board is for a decent price which comes with more features and a better build quality.

ReadySteadyDoom 1 point 15 months ago

Ah OK I see why you would say that now but since the prices differ from your GODLY USD all of our parts are insanely expensive and those ram sticks are the cheapest on the market that still make great use for gaming and we new Zealanders that actually do game prefer the 2x4gb sticks over the 1x8gb, but no your not wrong in your statements. sorry for the way I phrased what i posted as your reply! I was not my usual self and am extremely sorry if what I have said has offended you in anyway

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erikTW 1 point 15 months ago

Whats the benefit to the Seagate Barracuda over something like the Hitachi Deskstar 7K200 for $15 less?

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Energycore 1 point 15 months ago

I disagree on not wanting an SSD. Loading screens are the worst and take away from the game experience.

I agree on the PSU The Rosewill Quark is much better for $54.99 AR

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LemonComputers 1 point 14 months ago

Sure.

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Xizt 1 Build 7 points 15 months ago

And maybe you should do your research and realize why they didn't add an aftermarket cooler in a locker CPU build.

The stock cooler is more than enough for locked CPUs...

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manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 4 points 15 months ago

The stock coolers work perfectly well for non overclockable CPUs. The older AMD ones were quite loud but stock intel one is absolutely usable.

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philip staff 10 Builds 2 points 15 months ago

Not desirable to you, which is perfectly fine.

We've built many systems here in varying budgets that use the Intel stock cooler. For locked processors it cools adequately, and is reasonably quiet even under load. I have a quad core Xeon build we just built yesterday - with the stock cooler - and it is more than adequate for the job. Aftermarket coolers have their place, but they are not required for every build (or even every gaming build).

bodywash 1 point 15 months ago

yup

vagabond139 5 Builds 4 points 15 months ago

Another build without an actual fan cooler just so you can have it be cheaper? Sorry, this is not a real build.

Sorry, you have no idea what you are talking about. The CPU comes with a HSF.

Stock coolers suck, Intel and AMD know this, that's why AMD spent money designing a new one, and it's still only "ok" at best. This is a joke.

The stock cooler will do good enough for a locked CPU.

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vagabond139 5 Builds 2 points 15 months ago

My point was, again, that I believe he purposefully left the cooler out of his build (and others) to make the rig seem better/cheaper, similar to some builds you see that only have a single stick of ram in them .

He isn't trying to deceive anyone. A TON of builds on here that aren't overclocked use the stock cooler. It really doesn't make much sense to do unless you really care about looks or noise.

Could you do it? Of course you can, but why in the blue hell would you? Why would you use only a stick of ram? (is this 1998?)

To save a bit of money, useful for entry level builds where every penny counts. Plus the performance difference is minimal.

Why would you use a stock cooler on a cpu if you don't have to?

In order to save money since the stock cooler will do its job as intended and won't be a jet engine and spend that money else where or just pocket it.

Are you honestly telling me you would not?

If I wasn't overclocking then yes. I would spend that money else where.

demongoose 1 point 14 months ago

I wish I had a sock cooler. I hate the feeling of my feet being sweaty.

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MjolnirThunder 7 points 15 months ago

Are you implying that not filling the entire RAM array somehow makes a PC look cheap?

Xizt 1 Build 3 points 15 months ago

With a case without a window too lol.

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Xizt 1 Build 2 points 15 months ago

Because it's cheaper and dual-channel doesn't really see MUCH performance gain??

rhali8 2 Builds 2 points 15 months ago

Lets say you have a motherboard with only 2 RAM dimms. Why on earth would you fill both when you can have the same amount of RAM in 1, and then have the ability to upgrade later which doubles your total RAM?

MjolnirThunder 1 point 15 months ago

Looking at DDR4 2400 8GB for example, 1x8 and 2x4 sticks are about the same. If I need 8 now but feel like I might want more later then yeah, I'd only get one stick. I opted for 2x8 on my build instead of 4x4 for that reason.

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LemonComputers 2 points 15 months ago

Which used i7?

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